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I finally got myself to a place with enough emotional space to watch 11x06 after a few rough days at home.

That moment they open that deemon's shirt and look at - that is - long long look - and some significance - and I was truly trying to understand whether they were looking at his nipple? His bruised nipple because....? torture? bdsm?

I was truly considering the option that Winchester Bros were, in canon, deeply and lengthily looking at some guy's nipple
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you know how you could talk about something so much because you are so into it it's like being pulled to run in several different directions at once but reallly you're at peace because you are content and happy and it's fine?

This is my reaction
for this episode

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Sam's slow, sad expression when that man burst out calling him a liar, no knee jerk self defense, aggression or even startle, but so many things - sadness, guilt, and acceptance because he knew it as true, and his fault, and a different part of him more alive and persistent that he is going to insist on doing everything to fix it as much as he could.... big open empty sky on his shoulders........



Jared, BB, we see you
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New guy is probably my second favorite writer on the show, by now! Go new guy!

1) Can we talk about the way, again and again, Rowena is treated disturbingly cruelly, in ways that do speak of gender power hierarchy? For all she is evil. Leaving a woman tied up indefinitely is not the same as doing that to man. Manipulative mothers are often trying to survive rather than plot their son's demise. It's interesting particularly since the writers seem to want to comment of feminism from time to time (see this ep's Betty Friedan). They seem to realize that their audience might be interested in that, at the very least. And "strong women = feminist" seems to be the go-to characterization for women or girl characters we should like, but won't really get much of a role. I wonder what they are trying to do with Rowena, in that regard, if.
Also, should mention that this is the writer who wrote the Alex-Jody episode that everybody but me loved, which had a lot of women, anyway.

(a) Actually, can we talk about how in Show World the way to get out of an unwanted halusination is either to kill part of oneself or to be groped by one's brother?


2) Twice now Dean has been honest and responsible and confided in Sam when he should have. I like that. I'd have liked for him to also talk with Sam about considering killing himself and knowing that was not an option, but I get why he didn't, and for Sam's fragile heart/stability, that might be a blessing. Then again, surely he knows.

3) I'll just sum it up with Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!1111


4)careful, gentle, fragile, long missed brotherly feels



ETA: interesting - the scene cutting between Dean interviewing Suzie and Sam breaking in is written to be scary, creepy, but that is played down through music and lighting, perhaps.



Wait - if Rowena is part of Sam and Rowena says tying Dean up might be fun -
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Everyone wants heterosexual romance, sex and marriage - I'm "no way! I don't want that, screw you patriarchy! I am fucking awesome!"
Everyone is excited about an ep I found nice but didn't make my heart sing - I'm "oh, oh, maybe there *is* something wrong with me, man, is that a symptom of depression? Maybe I am really not ok"

;) :)
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They didn't show us Sam's face saying he loved the hunting lifestyle.
Such a huge change going way back to quoting the Pilot, and they didn't show us Sam's face.


I know I am supposed to believe it, but I'm having a little trouble really believing Sam is passionate-happy about anything, though "love it" can be many things... I need this developed more deeply in fic and connected to the past. I can accept that the Bunker and MOL thing was maybe a turning point, that moment Dean gave Sam his blessing there. And Meg wasn't effective in bothering Sam about it in Goodbye Stranger because it was beginning to not be true. It can be a very cool switch, Dean with his beach vacation (shout out to SPN discourse) and Sam wanting to hunt, but it would require much more depth.

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OK, two other things ("I lied")


I finally liked Metatron in this episode, right from his first scene ('arousing'), and annoying Cas, that was awesome. And his monologue about the thing that he and Cas did that was so Dynamic Duo? I for real was certain he was talking about his and Cas' adventures in pantsless bathroom doings.

Also - I always recognize Robbie, even when it's not his usual sort of ep, for his Tumblr shoutouts and enriching relationships and characters, and trying to tie up loose ends (even if IMO he lives in Tumblr fandom and so is just more knowledgeable abut later eps that the early ones, for all he rewatches then). He always writes the best Metatron, and probably Charlie.

Did anyone but Robbie actually remember Metatron had the demon tablet?
Also few weeks ago I arbitrarily made up Osric coming back this season. Perhaps he can read all that stuff, teach Metatron how to control his pet Demon Dean and give us some Stockholm Syndrome fic.
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I'm pretty sure Jared didn't actually mean to end his gorgeous campaign with comparing us people with PTSD to murderous blood sucking misogynistic colonialist monsters who are a danger to society and to their loved ones and are likely to be killed off - maybe for the best.


ETA:O! I should be clear, though - I have no doubt that Jared had the very best intentions in linking the ep with his campaign, it's just probably not thought through

ETA2: I'm not referring to Jared's future spoiler, but to the thing he wrote about this ep re the campaign: " I couldn't help but be struck by the fact that it dealt with our soldiers coming back from war with PTSD and, all too often, suicidal thoughts" - suicidal, homicidal, getting killed for being a monster cidal....


At least I got the writer right again. If SPN writers wrote for anon memes I might be better at guessing those!
Or, better yet, if slash writers wrote the show.
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Not sure who this was more offensive towards, these kids or gen-xers.

Better to consider it the ep in which Dean was British and Sam had a sparkly pink laptop.
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So wait - the whole premise in the beginning, of a monster who takes people and leaves behind their clothes.
Why.
Why would Hansel stop, in a public place, to strip down unconscious children and leave behind their clothes,
then produce from somewhere age and size appropriate clothes (he'd need to carry a collection) and dress unconscious children on the street - or drag them naked away? WTF?

Why even bother dressing them at all? I mean - they're bad guys, why bother dressing the kids for a day or two only? OK, naked can be very uncomfortable, but why not just take them in their clothes? Particularly since leaving the clothes pints to the disappearance.

Also. Underoos. How does Sam know, and *seriously*, Hansel dressed Dean in underwear? Ick! I'll just hope that was a joke on Sam's part.

10x12

Feb. 4th, 2015 06:57 pm
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!!!!!!!!!



There were so so many thingss about this one that made me so so happy!
So many great moments and actual worldbuilding for the boys' childhood again and so much awesome and Jensen's acting was so much better could tell there was a significant difference right away- apparently sleep works for him!
So much ic! this ep need so much fic!

I wanted Sam to be deaged too anmd for them to be stuck that way for another ep or two.

Jared was great too

and banter! Yess!!!!

!!!!

Could do without the mysogyny, fatphobia and crazy people are gross, not to mention homeless people.


But apart from that it was SO AWESOME!!!!


ETA: COMMENT MEME for this ep YES!!!!!!!!
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Dean's female actress played Dean - Dean turned into a women?

That's a role I want.
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I like that the show seems to be trying to change format a bit, perhaps to make it more similar to earlier seasons .

The look and vibe are less warm than the second half of season 8, less oppressive than season 9. That shot of Sam in early episode 1, sitting by a switchboard, lights at night, had a delightfully seventies feel, for me.

More shots of the Impala, a million shots of the Impala.

The brothers talking in or around the Impala.

Clink!

"We time" :)

And the vacation fic trope we've all read. Now (sorta) done by the writers too.


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Dean made a gay joke. About himself giving a blowjob. I kinda liked it.
Also kinda liked that he got punched for it.
(I choose to consider it a punch for "that's not what we're doing on the show", which, for me, is worst than "men have a biological need to cheat" and even "wanting to be dominated is pathetic" that earned people punches in previous episodes. I'm kinda on board with this new punching policy in SPN, for a while)

~

Mary-Kate and Ashley :-)

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Wolf-Sisters spinoff, or something like that with other people, could work .
This is a format revamp that I could get behind, if someone developed it well - I liked that it keeps the sibling dynamic, still monsters, road trip, only with women this time - yeah! They even did the whole - controlling, loving and good older sibling, younger sibling turned dangerous by family, questionable saving and so on. It would be interesting to see variations, though, but I'd go on a road trip with those, I'd probably like at least a season-type road trip fic for them
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OMG, so many things happened to catch up about, *so* many.

But first, the new episode. The main thing I wanted to say )
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Finally, I get to ship a moral, non-incestual pairing again.

Also - that means we don't need Cas anymore, yeah?
Also - you don't say to a Winchester "like a house on fire", Garth.



ETA: Winchesters! I ship Winchesters! Also Cas/Sam, but that's less relevant here. I meant - cause they're not brothers, San said.




I miss you, people of LJ <3

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