Hm, I was thinking about The One You'll Know By, too :) He is really annoying there, a bit unfair, but it's just so so good (and such and fantastic reading) that I accept it. Though I do think it takes from both his and Dean's characterization.
As for Sam being stubborn and fighting with John - how is that a bad thing? He tries to stand up to John, he tries to carve out a little space to breathe in - those are important and good. Unpleasant, but important. And yes, Dean puts himself in the middle and it's sad and can break my heart., But what is Sam supposed to do about it? Stop trying to assert himself, become a hunter, let John just have his way for their entire lives?
(BTW, that could be an interesting fic, if Sam didn't go to Stanford. Wonder how John would deal with Sam's visions and OMG, would he kill Sam?)
As for perhaps being less stubborn and trying to be more understanding towards John - It's not Sam's responsibility, there. Not sure Sam can, even if it'd work with John rather than just being erased for not being forceful enough. Perhaps in order to be the bigger person, you need "to have yourself", for it to be good for you too rather than just giving up?
I wonder if Dean ever thought that if he were more like John, and Sam still loved him, then maybe Sam might find a way to make peace with John by extension. How could Sam still be so angry with John, if so much of what he hated about John was a part of Dean?
This is very interesting. Do you think Dean would have wanted to be more like John, but held back to be loved by Sam? Or - ?
I imagine John would hate for Dean to be like him way more than Sam would... or not? Do you think John would grow to be proud of it? But then, he didn't with the ways Sam was like him... Or are you talking about things like hunting and not things like being dominant?
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He is really annoying there, a bit unfair, but it's just so so good (and such and fantastic reading) that I accept it. Though I do think it takes from both his and Dean's characterization.
As for Sam being stubborn and fighting with John - how is that a bad thing? He tries to stand up to John, he tries to carve out a little space to breathe in - those are important and good. Unpleasant, but important. And yes, Dean puts himself in the middle and it's sad and can break my heart., But what is Sam supposed to do about it? Stop trying to assert himself, become a hunter, let John just have his way for their entire lives?
(BTW, that could be an interesting fic, if Sam didn't go to Stanford. Wonder how John would deal with Sam's visions and OMG, would he kill Sam?)
As for perhaps being less stubborn and trying to be more understanding towards John - It's not Sam's responsibility, there. Not sure Sam can, even if it'd work with John rather than just being erased for not being forceful enough. Perhaps in order to be the bigger person, you need "to have yourself", for it to be good for you too rather than just giving up?
I wonder if Dean ever thought that if he were more like John, and Sam still loved him, then maybe Sam might find a way to make peace with John by extension. How could Sam still be so angry with John, if so much of what he hated about John was a part of Dean?
This is very interesting. Do you think Dean would have wanted to be more like John, but held back to be loved by Sam? Or - ?
I imagine John would hate for Dean to be like him way more than Sam would... or not? Do you think John would grow to be proud of it? But then, he didn't with the ways Sam was like him... Or are you talking about things like hunting and not things like being dominant?