the weight of all the baggage they're carrying around is beginning to get in the way of furthering the story/character growth instead of helping it along.
How so? Because it's a mass of similar feelings, which can be problematic for writing? O r because it gets in the way of strongly feeling about other things, without being addressed? Or that it makes things less believable? Or something else?
It seems like the writers think that wouldn't make "good tv," but since the fans are so much more invested in the characters than in shock value, I disagree with that sentiment. Once upon a time, a sharp comment from John about "touching up his car" was cause for a lot of feeling/interesting character development and interactions, whereas now, another apocalypse barely fazes them.
Yes, yes, YES! If Jensen's eyelashes didn't make me want to watch the show, "shock value" sure isn't likely to. Give me small hints about those beautifully complex characters, with a good story underneath!
As for the touch up - I missed that discussion, sadly. It was such an indicative thing to say, Dean kept the Impala *perfect*, and that still wasn't good enough for John. Sounds like it would be interesting for the 'Sam is the Impala' path I've heard about and haven't gotten into.
I so wish they would get back in touch with these characters' humanity
I suspect that's what Cas and Kevin are there to replace. Which makes me wanna kick some ass, and not because I have a problem with Cas or Kevin.
Sometimes I get the feeling the writers feel like SPN is a ship so big it's out of their control, which ain't good--they need to hire writers and/or a showrunner who can handle something as massive, with as passionate a fanbase, as this show.
YES. It so often like they're intimidated, wanting to please, but not listening, just wanting to not fuck it up, cause it's working and they don't want the blame for bringing it down. Like they know it's "only" gonna be another season and a half, perhaps, and "Let's just pass the time with small talk". When in the past they thouht every season was the last and wanted to make the very best of it. And they know there are plenty of fans who will be mean - and they're even mean when the writers do nothing interesting at all! Imagine what'd happen if they did something big! So we get bland, repetitive things, as if repeating something will have the same effect the second or fifteenth time. And we get "Oh, you want shipping moments? Here, have them!" (not that I'm complaining about those!) - but those are less effective for being less set in an emotional story arc. And the writers just don't listen to the right things, perhaps - the fans have been vocal for so many years about the amulet and Dean's phone message - if you want to please the fans, try listening to the fans better... Also, mostly, I'd like to get the writers to actually watch the entire show. Just sit down, you can do it together and we'll all spring for beer, OK? Just watch the thing from the beginning now, please.
Guh, the situation makes me Dommy. I wanna coach that team. I really wish they'd get someone who does that. They *should* get people from fandom to do that - even just fix scripts - we have amazing writers who know the show better than the current writers for sure - but even just - let Robby be show runner, please.
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How so? Because it's a mass of similar feelings, which can be problematic for writing? O r because it gets in the way of strongly feeling about other things, without being addressed? Or that it makes things less believable? Or something else?
It seems like the writers think that wouldn't make "good tv," but since the fans are so much more invested in the characters than in shock value, I disagree with that sentiment. Once upon a time, a sharp comment from John about "touching up his car" was cause for a lot of feeling/interesting character development and interactions, whereas now, another apocalypse barely fazes them.
Yes, yes, YES!
If Jensen's eyelashes didn't make me want to watch the show, "shock value" sure isn't likely to. Give me small hints about those beautifully complex characters, with a good story underneath!
As for the touch up - I missed that discussion, sadly. It was such an indicative thing to say, Dean kept the Impala *perfect*, and that still wasn't good enough for John. Sounds like it would be interesting for the 'Sam is the Impala' path I've heard about and haven't gotten into.
I so wish they would get back in touch with these characters' humanity
I suspect that's what Cas and Kevin are there to replace. Which makes me wanna kick some ass, and not because I have a problem with Cas or Kevin.
Sometimes I get the feeling the writers feel like SPN is a ship so big it's out of their control, which ain't good--they need to hire writers and/or a showrunner who can handle something as massive, with as passionate a fanbase, as this show.
YES. It so often like they're intimidated, wanting to please, but not listening, just wanting to not fuck it up, cause it's working and they don't want the blame for bringing it down. Like they know it's "only" gonna be another season and a half, perhaps, and "Let's just pass the time with small talk". When in the past they thouht every season was the last and wanted to make the very best of it. And they know there are plenty of fans who will be mean - and they're even mean when the writers do nothing interesting at all! Imagine what'd happen if they did something big! So we get bland, repetitive things, as if repeating something will have the same effect the second or fifteenth time. And we get "Oh, you want shipping moments? Here, have them!" (not that I'm complaining about those!) - but those are less effective for being less set in an emotional story arc. And the writers just don't listen to the right things, perhaps - the fans have been vocal for so many years about the amulet and Dean's phone message - if you want to please the fans, try listening to the fans better... Also, mostly, I'd like to get the writers to actually watch the entire show. Just sit down, you can do it together and we'll all spring for beer, OK? Just watch the thing from the beginning now, please.
Guh, the situation makes me Dommy. I wanna coach that team. I really wish they'd get someone who does that. They *should* get people from fandom to do that - even just fix scripts - we have amazing writers who know the show better than the current writers for sure - but even just - let Robby be show runner, please.