Unfortunately, I suspect part of the problem is just that the issues of decline and exhaustion are more subtle and complicated than this show was equipped to deal with, even in its best years
Wow, really? I wouldn't trust the current writers to go for it, but I can imagine it being dealt with - even by the season 7 staff. Not as deeply and subtly as I'd have liked, but they sure dealt with Sam's insanity better than I guess most shows would have. I know I keep saying that to you, but of course they wouldn't write it as well as you would have, but I can see them writing it well. And Kripke... I don't get exactly how he/his team worked. I don't find Revolution nearly as interesting as hi SPN - and that may have to do with me needing time to find out what's awesome about the show, or the show needing time to find out what's awesome about it, or it just being about things I find less interesting, or Kripke being bad at writing (sure was on SPN, sorry) IDK, so many other possible things. B ut I wonder - he did say that in SPN he would imagine creative plots, and Singer would make him refocus on character development and emotions. Perhaps Singer is missing from Revolution?
Certainly too complicated for the stable of writers they've got now.
Honestly, though I'd like them to very much fire some of the writers, fast, I suspect a really good show runner could have made it work, could have fixed it. I've seen a script of Buffy, as written before Joss made a few minor corrections to it, and yeah, those corrections were all the depth of the episode ,made a huge difference.
I'm okay with the deaths of Sam and Dean at the end of S2 and S3 because the resurrections came with huge consequences.
YES! And intentionally or not, created a sort of line of "inevitability" that's interesting to follow, and ties everything together well. And accentuated the boy's tragic flaw, which is something along the lines of "their amazing, fucked up relationship", which we love. So I'm definitely on board with that.
I kinda liked that Show went as wild with the resurrections, at first, it seemed like a gutsy, partially-meta thing to do, and it worked really well, IMO. Thing is that now it's no longer gutsy or cheeky or fresh.
I very much agree, about heaven, but even assuming the Winchesters do know they're going to heaven (some people say they don't remember that, but they seemed to remember at least part of it when they came back...? Or was that just before their memory wipe?) they could still make it work, for example - I would probably get really emotionally involved in a plot about each of them personally desperately wanting to get to experience life before they die. SPN death is so much about staying static (though if they'll be together, perhaps they can at least work out their relationship over eternity...?) - Just getting to live before you die. Trying things, being things, being part of society perhaps (not so much on board with that, but I can go with it, see Trial and Error) - my point is, i isn't like for every human but it doesn't ruin the show, necessarily.
My main problem with it, as I keep if grumbling about, is that it makes them even more privileged - in a show that originally got its cred from being about poor outlaws. Ugh, I need to write up my rant about that.
And i wanna point out again that this is so the perfect solution for this season - Cas dies, we're all worried during hiatus , but being human and pure he goes to heaven, gets his grace back, kicks Metatron's ass, comes back as an angel. And yeah, it won't have that much of a punch, since we *know* Cas will be back, cause we know he was signed for most of the season, and we know he's too much of a fan favorite to be killed at this point without being back in some form...
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Wow, really? I wouldn't trust the current writers to go for it, but I can imagine it being dealt with - even by the season 7 staff. Not as deeply and subtly as I'd have liked, but they sure dealt with Sam's insanity better than I guess most shows would have. I know I keep saying that to you, but of course they wouldn't write it as well as you would have, but I can see them writing it well. And Kripke... I don't get exactly how he/his team worked. I don't find Revolution nearly as interesting as hi SPN - and that may have to do with me needing time to find out what's awesome about the show, or the show needing time to find out what's awesome about it, or it just being about things I find less interesting, or Kripke being bad at writing (sure was on SPN, sorry) IDK, so many other possible things. B ut I wonder - he did say that in SPN he would imagine creative plots, and Singer would make him refocus on character development and emotions. Perhaps Singer is missing from Revolution?
Certainly too complicated for the stable of writers they've got now.
Honestly, though I'd like them to very much fire some of the writers, fast, I suspect a really good show runner could have made it work, could have fixed it. I've seen a script of Buffy, as written before Joss made a few minor corrections to it, and yeah, those corrections were all the depth of the episode ,made a huge difference.
I'm okay with the deaths of Sam and Dean at the end of S2 and S3 because the resurrections came with huge consequences.
YES! And intentionally or not, created a sort of line of "inevitability" that's interesting to follow, and ties everything together well. And accentuated the boy's tragic flaw, which is something along the lines of "their amazing, fucked up relationship", which we love. So I'm definitely on board with that.
I kinda liked that Show went as wild with the resurrections, at first, it seemed like a gutsy, partially-meta thing to do, and it worked really well, IMO. Thing is that now it's no longer gutsy or cheeky or fresh.
I very much agree, about heaven, but even assuming the Winchesters do know they're going to heaven (some people say they don't remember that, but they seemed to remember at least part of it when they came back...? Or was that just before their memory wipe?) they could still make it work, for example - I would probably get really emotionally involved in a plot about each of them personally desperately wanting to get to experience life before they die. SPN death is so much about staying static (though if they'll be together, perhaps they can at least work out their relationship over eternity...?) - Just getting to live before you die. Trying things, being things, being part of society perhaps (not so much on board with that, but I can go with it, see Trial and Error) - my point is, i isn't like for every human but it doesn't ruin the show, necessarily.
My main problem with it, as I keep if grumbling about, is that it makes them even more privileged - in a show that originally got its cred from being about poor outlaws. Ugh, I need to write up my rant about that.
And i wanna point out again that this is so the perfect solution for this season - Cas dies, we're all worried during hiatus , but being human and pure he goes to heaven, gets his grace back, kicks Metatron's ass, comes back as an angel. And yeah, it won't have that much of a punch, since we *know* Cas will be back, cause we know he was signed for most of the season, and we know he's too much of a fan favorite to be killed at this point without being back in some form...