digging back into it's own past and using the fallout of those events to re-examine current story lines wouldn't be difficult, esp. considering a lot of what we're seeing now is a rehash of past conflicts/insecurities/hurts
Yeah, while apparently not being complexly influenced by previous rounds, weirdly...
I agree that it's become way more shallow, and the writers' agenda has probably changed (see my comment to Brightly_Lit). I disagree that not breaking the spiral they're in makes them boneheads, though. A whole lot of people - pretty much all people, to a certain degree - repeat their mistakes and have trouble seeing/breaking out of destructive behavior. I would hope for more of them trying to wriggle out of it (as I think you said), talking about it, *stuff*!
I disagree, about depth not going well with numbers. First of all - I want my needs met, and I'll demand that when I'm up to it, and if it's not what people in power want, I probably won't get it, but it doesn't mean my needs are any less valid or deserving. Second - I'm really not sure that's not what a lot of/most fans want. Regardless, telling the loyal fans to screw themselves is not wise. And third, importantly - it really doesn't have to clash. Subtext is subtext for a reason. It can go along with dumb storylines about talking animals. There was a litt of it, going nicely with the could-have-been-dumb storyline about Wizard of Oz. Sometimes it goes better with silly things, balancing each other out, like in so many past episodes of SPN. The Winchesters are built around not talking about things, except for a few important moments when they do. That can definitely work with fun plots, plots relatable to people not familiar with the history of the show, and can make forms of fanservice so much better.
I bet there are a lot of interesting aspects of Sam and Dean's relationship they'd love to delve into, but just can't make it work with the constraints they're given and the desires of TPTB
You know, I've been thinking a lot about it, and it really feels like that's not that much of a significant problem (hope I'm wrong). When writers want to write something and aren't allowed to, unless they just give up (perhaps the dog thing was a cry for help), it often peeps out is subtle ways, subtext, a random joke, it has a presence. I haven't felt much of any of that, lately... DK.
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Yeah, while apparently not being complexly influenced by previous rounds, weirdly...
I agree that it's become way more shallow, and the writers' agenda has probably changed (see my comment to Brightly_Lit). I disagree that not breaking the spiral they're in makes them boneheads, though. A whole lot of people - pretty much all people, to a certain degree - repeat their mistakes and have trouble seeing/breaking out of destructive behavior. I would hope for more of them trying to wriggle out of it (as I think you said), talking about it, *stuff*!
I disagree, about depth not going well with numbers. First of all - I want my needs met, and I'll demand that when I'm up to it, and if it's not what people in power want, I probably won't get it, but it doesn't mean my needs are any less valid or deserving. Second - I'm really not sure that's not what a lot of/most fans want. Regardless, telling the loyal fans to screw themselves is not wise. And third, importantly - it really doesn't have to clash. Subtext is subtext for a reason. It can go along with dumb storylines about talking animals. There was a litt of it, going nicely with the could-have-been-dumb storyline about Wizard of Oz. Sometimes it goes better with silly things, balancing each other out, like in so many past episodes of SPN. The Winchesters are built around not talking about things, except for a few important moments when they do. That can definitely work with fun plots, plots relatable to people not familiar with the history of the show, and can make forms of fanservice so much better.
I bet there are a lot of interesting aspects of Sam and Dean's relationship they'd love to delve into, but just can't make it work with the constraints they're given and the desires of TPTB
You know, I've been thinking a lot about it, and it really feels like that's not that much of a significant problem (hope I'm wrong). When writers want to write something and aren't allowed to, unless they just give up (perhaps the dog thing was a cry for help), it often peeps out is subtle ways, subtext, a random joke, it has a presence. I haven't felt much of any of that, lately... DK.
And that's where fandom steps in
Bless fandom.