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One of my BIGGEST pet peeves is when they kill off a character, only to bring them back right away (and sometimes, kill them again... and again)
Yeah... I wonder why they do that. With Cas, the fist time, I thought it was part of the cheeky meta thing about killing off characters and bringing them back. But how – why the second time? And Cas and Charlie just now - huh? Unless it's a hint about Zeke, or a plot thing (he doesn't bring them back exactly the same? ), or a hint at the end of the season (cause that's a way into heaven, and at least now we know Metaton left the part of heaven serving dead human probably working) – why? If they needed Zeke to do his healing thing – why not knock them out or something...?
But as a viewer, it also robs the moment of any shock or emotion
Yeah! And it's hard to even identify, to get something from it...
I mean at this point, it would probably shock me even MORE if a character actually stayed dead
Yeah, but when – two seasons later when they haven't been back yet? Also – Meg... can we please have her back now? Please?
I've said many times that, to me, it felt like the writers were lost after S5. Not so much because they lost Kripke's vision, but because they had no idea how to "top" the Apocalypse
YES! I very much agree.
A lot of TV seems to think that bigger = better, which is most definitely not the case!
Absolutely. And so often "bigger" means boring plot driven story arcs.
I like the way Buffy dealt with something like that in season 6, will not spoil futher just in case.
IIRC there were interviews for S5 where people mentioned not being able to show the war between heaven and hell because they didn't have the budget for VFX on that scale. But I think that added to one of my favourite parts of S5: that, despite the epic scale plot going on, the story was still focused on Sam&Dean.
I love love love that. Love the thought, love what they actually did do. Dean getting beat up by Sam, Sam doing something nearly impossible - inner struggle – for Dean – and also Dean telling Sam it was his choice, and that Dean respected him as a grown man - that was fantastic. Way way better and more interesting than some costly battle scene, as I imagine it, at least.
And it's so the show, it's always about Dean and Sam in the end. Always. Good or bad. Choosing each other over anything, it's always down to the two of them, for each other. That bit at the heart of the show hasn't been very much developed, or deconstructed, or negated, or anything really, in ages. Here and there yes – Sam not looking for Dean, dean accepting Sam as a MoL – that was amazing – but so so so little...
I think Time After Time could've made for a great two-parter. I would've loved to learned more about Henry and John, and how that affected Sam and Dean's view of John.
YES! Perhaps he insisted on that crazy lifestyle of dragging his kids across the US, hunting, cause he didn't want to abandon them like his father did to him. Perhaps he was so incredibly hand-on with Dean cause that's what he would have wanted to have for himself (maybe it was like some sergeant he'd had, or someone else he'd looked up to, who was nothing like his refines dad). Perhaps he'd abandon his boys for weeks like that because of some related issue. Perhaps he was *so* angry with Sam leaving because he had issues with abandonmet by close family, and maybe he thought Sam was a brat for not appreciating how hard John worked in order to keep his kids close, how much he did sacrifice.
I loved the hint of relationship we got from Dean and Sam in Tim after Time, the way they both talked about John – sounded like perhaps they both got a little closed to each other's opinion of him, and perhaps learned not to get into the topic in order to avoid fighting about? It was interesting, and great to get. But so so little.
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One of my BIGGEST pet peeves is when they kill off a character, only to bring them back right away (and sometimes, kill them again... and again)
Yeah... I wonder why they do that. With Cas, the fist time, I thought it was part of the cheeky meta thing about killing off characters and bringing them back. But how – why the second time? And Cas and Charlie just now - huh? Unless it's a hint about Zeke, or a plot thing (he doesn't bring them back exactly the same? ), or a hint at the end of the season (cause that's a way into heaven, and at least now we know Metaton left the part of heaven serving dead human probably working) – why? If they needed Zeke to do his healing thing – why not knock them out or something...?
But as a viewer, it also robs the moment of any shock or emotion
Yeah! And it's hard to even identify, to get something from it...
I mean at this point, it would probably shock me even MORE if a character actually stayed dead
Yeah, but when – two seasons later when they haven't been back yet?
Also – Meg... can we please have her back now? Please?
I've said many times that, to me, it felt like the writers were lost after S5. Not so much because they lost Kripke's vision, but because they had no idea how to "top" the Apocalypse
YES! I very much agree.
A lot of TV seems to think that bigger = better, which is most definitely not the case!
Absolutely. And so often "bigger" means boring plot driven story arcs.
I like the way Buffy dealt with something like that in season 6, will not spoil futher just in case.
IIRC there were interviews for S5 where people mentioned not being able to show the war between heaven and hell because they didn't have the budget for VFX on that scale. But I think that added to one of my favourite parts of S5: that, despite the epic scale plot going on, the story was still focused on Sam&Dean.
I love love love that. Love the thought, love what they actually did do. Dean getting beat up by Sam, Sam doing something nearly impossible - inner struggle – for Dean – and also Dean telling Sam it was his choice, and that Dean respected him as a grown man - that was fantastic. Way way better and more interesting than some costly battle scene, as I imagine it, at least.
And it's so the show, it's always about Dean and Sam in the end. Always. Good or bad. Choosing each other over anything, it's always down to the two of them, for each other. That bit at the heart of the show hasn't been very much developed, or deconstructed, or negated, or anything really, in ages. Here and there yes – Sam not looking for Dean, dean accepting Sam as a MoL – that was amazing – but so so so little...
I think Time After Time could've made for a great two-parter. I would've loved to learned more about Henry and John, and how that affected Sam and Dean's view of John.
YES! Perhaps he insisted on that crazy lifestyle of dragging his kids across the US, hunting, cause he didn't want to abandon them like his father did to him. Perhaps he was so incredibly hand-on with Dean cause that's what he would have wanted to have for himself (maybe it was like some sergeant he'd had, or someone else he'd looked up to, who was nothing like his refines dad). Perhaps he'd abandon his boys for weeks like that because of some related issue. Perhaps he was *so* angry with Sam leaving because he had issues with abandonmet by close family, and maybe he thought Sam was a brat for not appreciating how hard John worked in order to keep his kids close, how much he did sacrifice.
I loved the hint of relationship we got from Dean and Sam in Tim after Time, the way they both talked about John – sounded like perhaps they both got a little closed to each other's opinion of him, and perhaps learned not to get into the topic in order to avoid fighting about? It was interesting, and great to get. But so so little.