One thing about 10x13

[citrusjava]

Not sure who this was more offensive towards, these kids or gen-xers.

Better to consider it the ep in which Dean was British and Sam had a sparkly pink laptop.

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[balder12.livejournal.com]

I somewhat enjoyed the episode--I liked the early season style monster of the week, and most of the interaction between Sam and Dean. I've seen people complaining that Dean's leering was overdone, but I think that may have been deliberate? I mean, the show does get cartoonish sometimes in how it portrays Dean's appetites, but coming after an episode where we saw Dean announce he was going to take better care of himself, followed by an episode where he fell off the wagon with alcohol, I think maybe the hyper-intense hunger and horniness were supposed to be Dean sublimating his lust for violence into more acceptable desires, or else just losing control of his id in general. Maybe I'm giving the show too much credit.

The one teen scene that really rubbed me wrong was the second kill with the two girls. I'm pretty sure it was deliberate caricature, but it was painfully unfunny. Edlund was the only writer who ever pulled off broad comedy, as far as I'm concerned, and only sometimes. I generally wish the show would stay away from it. I see your point that it can be kind of limiting and unpleasant to treat anyone over 30 like they might as well head off to the retirement home, but it amused me to see Sam and Dean framed as "old," because on a network or cable show they'd be the young up-and-comers. It's only on the CW that 35--at least for a man--is over the hill. And it reminded me of my life in fandom, which is the one place where, at the ripe old age of 32, I regularly feel like an old woman yelling at the kids to get off her lawn.

I may have liked it disproportionately because I watched it live, though. I've watched the last two episodes when they aired after spending the past season or so watching them on DVR, and it made a big difference to me. I like to think that post-episode spoilers and wank don't affect my enjoyment, but it seems like they do. I'm definitely trying to watch the show live from now on, to the extent real life permits.

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

Aww, yay, I'm glad you enjoyed it,a and that you might start watching the eps live !


I liked that there was a lot of interaction between Sam and Dean too, I'd like to have that evey or almost every episode, oo, but the writing.... I didn't mind the ogling much, I missed part of it and don';t feel like checking back for it, I didn';t understaand what Dean said. But I don;'t generally mind Dean's flirting or checking women out.... IDK, I just don't. I agree that it was over the top, probably intentionally, that just really didn't work, IMO. Sometimes the show is a bit cartoonish in ways that could perhaps work - this just really really didn't work for me, sorry.... felt loveless, felt - when Robbie writes ridiculous stuff, or for sure in eps like Mystery Spot of Changing Channels, even The French Mistake - it comes with so much depth, understanding of the characters and the world, so much love - it is present in there! This just felt - I felt it was - cheap and shallow.

I believe you are giving the show way too much credit, but it is beautiful and just a lovely (loving) interpretation, I'm on board with you .


The one teen scene that really rubbed me wrong was the second kill with the two girls. I'm pretty sure it was deliberate caricature, but it was painfully unfunny

Agreed. That was my breaking point... The jokes about Dean and computers made me really uncomfortable, but then this was just - made it a theme .

Edlund was the only writer who ever pulled off broad comedy

Interesting. I give Carver, for all I have problems with his current work, some credit there too, though you make an interesting point, I'd like to ponder!

it amused me to see Sam and Dean framed as "old," because on a network or cable show they'd be the young up-and-comers


I really realy hope so. There have been *so* many jokes about that it makes me so worried and uncomfortable, and J2 have both been talking about that - I just. Ugh. I don't want the show to go off the air cause the cast is "so old", I don;t want them to try to make it young o hip, I don;t want J2's careers to disappear after this cause they';re supposedly so old, and as actors would probably have beenn better served had they left after 5-7 seasons fo a new show... ugh. I really do worry.... I wrote somewhere else here - I saw David Bowie go through that and it was horrible (well, it seemed so and he disappeared for 10 years) - I don't want this to happen. People are so mean.... And yeah, it does have to do with my experiences too - I've been being told I'm over the hill since I was 23-24 for sure, perhaps earlier. ATM I keep being told if I want any job in academia I'd better find a way to squeeze the next five years of studying out of existence, or be willing to leave M and move across the world. That's terrifying. So yeah, I'm worried about that sort of thing.

And it reminded me of my life in fandom, which is the one place where, at the ripe old age of 32, I regularly feel like an old woman yelling at the kids to get off her lawn.

:) Kids today with their fancy female Thor and Facebook poking!


Yea, ok, sorry about the rant. I'm just worried. Jared talked about being pressured to color his hair cause it's apparently going gray? WTF?! Where? Eh, I like guys in gray long hair.